tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320987861245813444.post384640430651085667..comments2024-03-21T09:42:06.380-04:00Comments on Imagineerland: Disneyland Paris Park PlanTRFhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01312055491812910235noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320987861245813444.post-10129457022909428292018-08-06T18:10:34.688-04:002018-08-06T18:10:34.688-04:00You did pretty well, so no worries.
I had the exa...You did pretty well, so no worries.<br /><br />I had the exact same thoughts about both Jungle Cruise and Critter Country, although good ideas, they just wouldn't quite work in Europe.<br /><br />Il mio papà è italiano, ma vivo in Svezia che sta un po' di distanza da Disneyland Paris, quindi non ci sono mai andato, ma spero di fallo in un futuro non troppo lontano.<br /><br />Saluti dalla Svezia!Emil Romanonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320987861245813444.post-81060651016748340242017-08-28T12:45:14.644-04:002017-08-28T12:45:14.644-04:00Very interesting plan.
I like that you placed Froz...Very interesting plan.<br />I like that you placed Frozen and Star Wars in a separate section of fantasyland and discoveryland, meaning they are connected with the theme but at the same time you want to keep the main area original.<br />Indiana Jones is a longtime rumore, hopefully they'll build someday.<br />I don't like two things of the plan. The first is the Jungle cruise attraction mainly because you can't put a castmember speaking on the boat because of the incredibly large number of languages spoken in the European Magic Kingdom. So I'm afraid the ride would become a bit pointless and not at a Diseny level.<br />The second choice I don't think would work is the Critter country area, and specifically The country bear because 99% of people living in Europe don't have idea of what the country bear are. I think it would be like building a dark ride based on Duffy the disney bear at Disneyworld's Magic Kingdom based on the succes it has at TokyoDisneySea.<br /><br />I don't know who is gonna read this comment in 2017 but I really want to say sorry for the mistakes I probrably made in english, that's because I'm writing from Italy and it doesn't show mistakes.DCMagic96https://www.blogger.com/profile/08109191290936583495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320987861245813444.post-50253002625240552602015-02-27T04:04:24.105-05:002015-02-27T04:04:24.105-05:00Really interesting about the brides. That could de...Really interesting about the brides. That could definitely be a way into the design challenge of reimagining such a classic. In reworking the Tokyo version specifically, it also could find some inspiration from the Japanese view of ghosts as folklore, hence its placement in Fantasyland. TRFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01312055491812910235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320987861245813444.post-50470162265187935412015-02-27T04:01:20.661-05:002015-02-27T04:01:20.661-05:00Good thought about the weather and Frozen. It woul...Good thought about the weather and Frozen. It would be lovely to see the Arendelle square covered in snow. <br /><br />Visually and thematically separating the Star Wars area from Discoveryland was my first priority with that expansion. Discoveryland has a rigidly and beautifully designed style that Star Wars just cant work in. Star Tours and EO in their current form just look awkward and out of place. So respecting the original concept was the first key. Once your in the spaceport, I wanted a nearly complete separation of worlds, like Diagon. It's not perfect and the size of the expansion plot caused some issues, but I think it could work. <br /><br />Good example with Tower of Terror. It's a good compromise example, using the exact same ride system and show building, but completely re imagining the story and design to create a new experience. I definitely think that is the most realistic solution that still allows for original experiences. TRFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01312055491812910235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320987861245813444.post-87356995307670531342015-02-26T16:23:49.379-05:002015-02-26T16:23:49.379-05:00Perhaps a suggestion if you decide to redo some of...Perhaps a suggestion if you decide to redo some of the Haunted Mansion copies, but something I've noticed over the years is that a big thing that separates each of the version of the rides is the Brides. The brides: Emily de Claire for Disneyland/Magic Kingdom before it was changed to Constance, although I believe she still exists as she did in Tokyo Disneyland, Constance Hatchaway is the new bride for DL/MK. Finally there's Melanie Ravenswood, the bride for Phantom Manor.<br /><br />The point I'm making is the the brides tend to define the stories of their version of the Haunted Mansion, as their one of the very few things that gets changed in each version of the ride, so in any new creation, you might want to consider that.<br /><br />An extra suggestion I have would to be to put Emily as the bride in Disneyland once more, in order to separate her from Constance, and maybe give Tokyo a new bride of your creation.NerdmanReturnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08350660761292452830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320987861245813444.post-23502219296071725792015-02-26T16:01:33.559-05:002015-02-26T16:01:33.559-05:00I've been to the Paris resort twice in '99...I've been to the Paris resort twice in '99 and '05 with my family both around Halloween time. Although I dont recall too much about my first visit (I must have been 6), my memories of it are among my very fondest. You didn't really miss much by skipping the studios park, though the ratatouille area and nemo do look good. <br />The placing for Critter country is perfect and I climatically Paris would be the best Disney park for a Frozen miniland. I've never cared much for Jungle Cruise and the space it normally takes, but you've incorporated it well and the fact its indoors means it can be much more immersive. The layout of the Star wars spaceport is superb, especially considering the amount of space you've had to allocate to ride buildings. I love the way the area is slightly secluded from the rest of Discoveryland preventing theming clashes but once you enter the miniland, it looks like guests will be intimately immersed within the star wars franchise.<br />I understand the reasons behind replicating rides in other parks. They provide guaranteed success while providing themes, spaces and attractions that guests are familiar with. Personally as an fan of imagineering, I don't think attractions should be closely replicated unless the experience will be of a higher quality than its predecessors (or that its unique enough so that differences can be easily identified). A good example which isn't in Paris would be Disneysea's Tower of Terror. I'm also obsessed with the concept of each Disneyland/MK style park having its own unique identity (like Paris ans Shanghai), being more like cousins than twin sisters and having a number of completely unique attractions.<br />jay.Pink Pantherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03994887685523999551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320987861245813444.post-53261785739153122432015-02-26T15:28:35.479-05:002015-02-26T15:28:35.479-05:00Sketchup and then Photoshop for cleanup and adding...Sketchup and then Photoshop for cleanup and adding the text and logos. TRFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01312055491812910235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320987861245813444.post-41710466879742043182015-02-26T08:07:41.773-05:002015-02-26T08:07:41.773-05:00By the way, what software do you use to make your ...By the way, what software do you use to make your maps?Mark Russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07372315482242176056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320987861245813444.post-82034277529023035592015-02-25T20:54:02.209-05:002015-02-25T20:54:02.209-05:00Wow I will have to look through all those magazine...Wow I will have to look through all those magazines, looks like they have some great pictures. Such a photogenic park. I agree, Baxter and Sotto and the rest of the leads on the park really succeeded. I could be happy with a day there of just walking around and enjoying the environment. <br /><br />Correct, the maze is still there. Apparently I just put it off and forgot to draw it. Too many lines. I'll add it eventually. <br /><br />While it was quite nice during the day in March, it got unbearably cold once the sun went down and I was not prepared. It was a cold cold wait for Disney Dreams.<br /><br />I actually have done a few elevations, specifically for a few WDW attractions that I will post soon. I definitely want to do more to figure out some of these facade and showbuilding issues that my plans present. It just takes so much more time for me than a plan, but its on my list. <br /><br />Sure, I can change the settings for the comments. Blogger does weird things. Like I didn't get email notifications for any of these comments strangely. TRFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01312055491812910235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320987861245813444.post-48804333546383053042015-02-25T20:30:33.630-05:002015-02-25T20:30:33.630-05:00First, the Labyrinth is not removed, I just never ...First, the Labyrinth is not removed, I just never drew it because it's pretty complicated. I would never remove it, I thought it was great, especially the overlook of Fantasyland from the castle. So sorry for the scare, its there! I'll add it in soon I guess. <br /><br />I wish I could go to Paris many more times. I had an amazing day, hopefully I'll be back one day and for longer. <br /><br />I also have nearly finished a Studios Park expansion plan that I will post later this spring. I built it out quite a bit, but still to a realistic scale. I'm pretty happy with how it is turning out. <br /><br />Thanks for the comments! TRFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01312055491812910235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320987861245813444.post-82393887912099951002015-02-25T20:24:42.083-05:002015-02-25T20:24:42.083-05:00I've been thinking alot about your last sugges...I've been thinking alot about your last suggestion, about fixing copies of rides. It's definitely interesting and something I've never considered. It would be a challenge to somewhat respect the original design while adding some uniqueness, but thats the kind of challenge I like. I'll add it to the already long list of things to think about.<br /><br />I really dont believe that rumor about COP moving to EPCOT. Maybe it would be nice, but I cant see it happening. A progress pavilion is interesting though. In a plan for a new resort that I started a few years ago and never finished, I had a new version of Horizons anchoring a Future themed area. Maybe I'll get back to that eventually. TRFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01312055491812910235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320987861245813444.post-63906436294380621142015-02-25T12:00:05.087-05:002015-02-25T12:00:05.087-05:00I've been to Disneyland Paris three times and ...I've been to Disneyland Paris three times and intend on going many more times. It is the only resort I've been too, but I think it is the most beautifully designed. The studio park has been given some nice features, but really does need a new theme, updatings, and expansion. I do like the new features and layout, particularly an indoor Jungle Cruise. However, I am a little saddened you scrapped Alice's Curious Labyrinth.Mark Russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07372315482242176056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320987861245813444.post-39553086862289315822015-02-24T20:32:18.769-05:002015-02-24T20:32:18.769-05:00Regarding any potential future expansion plans you...Regarding any potential future expansion plans you might have, I heard of a rumor on the WDWMagic Forums that Carousel of Progress might be moving to Epcot's WOL pavilion by 2020.<br /><br />Perhaps you might consider doing this in your expansion plan, making a progress pavilion in the WOL area instead of the Weather Pavilion you had in the last version. Perhaps you might even think of adding a new Horizons ride as well?<br /><br />The post was: http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/carousel-of-progress-to-wol-building.896306/NerdmanReturnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08350660761292452830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320987861245813444.post-1501418895239371582015-02-24T19:15:40.841-05:002015-02-24T19:15:40.841-05:00Absolutely love this post! I've never had the ...Absolutely love this post! I've never had the chance to go to Disneyland Paris yet, however I've seen Youtube footage of Phantom Manor and Paris's Pirates ride and I was amazed how how great they looked. I really want to go on them! <br /><br />The suggestions by the way, from what I can tell, based on my limited knowledge of Disneyland Paris though, are great!<br /><br />By the way, regarding your question at the end, have you considered posting ideas on how you would rework some of the classic rides that show up in the other parks? I'd be interested to see some ideas for a redone Tokyo Haunted Mansion.NerdmanReturnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08350660761292452830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4320987861245813444.post-82045421817415571572015-02-24T19:02:31.032-05:002015-02-24T19:02:31.032-05:00Hey TRF,
Awesome job on the site & plans! W...Hey TRF,<br /><br />Awesome job on the site & plans! Wish I could have experienced DLP in 1995 (which I consider its peak year - still very fresh, fully-functioning, as originally intended (e.g. TS Photography) and with Discoveryland/Space Mountain coherently-themed to Verne (excluding Star Tours). If you haven't checked out all 7 issues of this brilliant DLP fanzine, I suggest you do, starting with #2: http://issuu.com/disneygraphy/docs/magazine_-_issue__2<br /><br />Baxter and the 2nd Gen Masters set out to take Disneyland and perfect it in France. I think they succeeded. It's one of the pinnacles of planning & design. I really like all your changes/additions (we're on a very similar wavelength). Also drew a plan with an Around the World in place of Videopolis (which was doomed to have character shows and probably shouldn't have been located there). <br /><br />I like your Fantasyland changes... the current, quick-built M&G (formerly the post-show at IASW) doesn't work in its present locale, IMO. Better to keep that area IASW, not 'Storybook' style. <br /><br />Maze gone for a reason or no time to deal with the linework?<br /><br />Showbuildings can be disguised, but their heights are something to remain conscious of. For example, the HK Golden Mickeys was an inexpensive last minute addition. Once IASW opened there, its big "curtain tower" is hard to hide from that side. Similarly, having a country bears darkride pretty close to the river's edge might require rockworking its sides.<br /><br />Getting both Indy and an Indoor Jungle Cruise in that space is pretty ingenious.<br /><br />Good thing you visited in the spring. I was there on a cold, dreary November day and sorely missed the weather of Orlando or Anaheim. <br /><br />Regarding differentiation & uniqueness, I of course agree (wish each park had its own unique castle, if you ever care to draw some elevations). <br /><br />One final note on the site... I wrote a lengthy post last week regarding the importance of walkthroughs supporting the marquee rides, but it disappeared when I went to sign in! I'm typically too lazy to sign in to google to comment on any site I visit, so is there a way you can add a "name" or anon option so I can join the architectural discussion more often.<br /><br />Cheers,<br /><br />SWW<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />SWWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03025831334794344461noreply@blogger.com